Comments on: PaaV Podcast #6

By: Liz

Liz — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:27:58 +0000

Ashlee, you are so sweet. Comments like that totally make our day. You rock my socks off. Hehe.
And I cannot sing GCN’s praises enough. They are fantastic. I really should get back in to posting there.

Girlboston, Maybe we are now merging with our listeners brains? That would be fine with me, because we have the most rad listeners of all time.

By: girlboston

girlboston — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:53:21 +0000

Addicted to your podcasts but this one was scary..it was like you took all my thoughts out of my head!

Loved your breakdown of the conversation with Fr Eyebrow!!!! Also he is definately a poster boy for Just-say-no-to-collagen-lip-injections

By: ashleelynn7

ashleelynn7 — Sun, 31 May 2009 06:08:23 +0000

So yet another amazing podcast! I already told you guys via twitter that this made my day, but I feel like this should be said twice: You guys are made of tons and tons of awesomeness!

Dani’s letter to Jill had me on the floor laughing. Too, too funny. Wealth of eyebrow talent, another great oneliner. I live for Dani’s zingers.

Liz, I have to agree with someone else who commented that I totally live for your laugh. I think it may be the best and dare I say cutest? laugh ever. Love it. And your comments about Father Eyebrow(LMAO) were amazing. Such a great scene and I agree with everything you said about it. JL delivered it all perfectly and just when I thought I couldn’t love her more, alas she gives the greatest performance ever.

I also wanna say a huge thanks for linking the Gaychristian article. What a great read and so interesting. I learned so much about something I really don’t know a lot about, so kudos for that

So in conclusion, you guys rock my socks and can’t wait for the next pod!

By: Liz

Liz — Sun, 31 May 2009 04:17:31 +0000

Anne- Thanks so much! Maybe you’re right, maybe Father Eyebrow will get a storyline out of this. They are bringing back Danny.

Ali- Im glad you liked them. I love how you say Dani is more of a natural from the gut kinda girl. lol Her notes are craaazy detailed, while mine are like bullet points. Haha! Anyway. We’ll see you back soon. We love notes on our notes.

By: Ali

Ali — Sun, 31 May 2009 03:56:56 +0000

I listened to podcasts #2-#6 throughout the entire day while going about my day. Had comments as I listened but unfortunately didn’t take notes like Liz. Wondering if Liz does lists too? I love lists.

Overall love each of your perspectives. Love how detailed and analytical Liz is while Dani sort of comes naturally from the gut. Two great styles that work together. I was tempted to go spoiler free but think I would just go the way of Dani so not going to even try it.

Great stuff and will definitely come back for more… but next time I’ll keep a list of my comments.

By: Anne

Anne — Sun, 31 May 2009 00:48:36 +0000

I listen to anything and everything I can on Otalia and really think you both are terrific! …Please keep them coming. Re Father Ray ….. lots and lots of priests are alcoholics …There’s loneliness,heavy responsibilities and a great deal of self medicating to get through it. I don’t believe he was kidding when he asked for the beer… likely more storyline opening up for him and a true to life one at that.

By: Dani

Dani — Thu, 28 May 2009 19:07:38 +0000

JCF – Okay, I love you for the Xena reference. The one thing I’ll say about Xena, though, is that she rightfully received hatred and scorn from her victims. [nerd alert] – just like Xena forever altered Callisto’s life for the worse, and Callisto could never forgive Xena for it…that’s the train of thinking I have for Olivia/Jeffrey. The forgivness was contrived, unrealistic, and honestly…I just feel differently about rape. I think our culture has a pretty good handle on the fact that murder = bad. Rape, however, can still be gray-lined and treated like it’s something a person can deserve/ask for through certain behaviors. There’s still a question of what constitutes rape, and I think this storyline fed into that negatively.

I don’t think there’s been any question when Phillip is being BAD, or Alan is being BAD, or Olivia, or any of the other characters. We know their behavior is despicable. Whether or not we choose to forgive them and move on is up to us. But Jeffrey’s behavior wasn’t kept as BAD. He was let off the hook about it when it became about miscommunication and regrets about it. Alan and Phillip and Olivia still walk with their sins on their shoulders, Jeffrey was absolved of Olivia’s rape.

Beyond that, we can just agree to disagree about it. No bigs.

I just had to follow up because of the Xena reference. It was like a geek batman signal.

By: Lana, Snapper, Whatever

Lana, Snapper, Whatever — Thu, 28 May 2009 05:38:30 +0000

Nope…Dave Kreizman isn’t the dude I knew in NYC.

By: Liz

Liz — Thu, 28 May 2009 04:48:56 +0000

David Kreizman wrote the storyline.

By: JCF

JCF — Thu, 28 May 2009 04:09:59 +0000

if I can suspend disbelief enough to love Philip, Buzz, Billy and yes, even Olivia despite some pretty horrendous things they’ve done as *adults* … I can do the same for Jeffery who was, after all, not much more than a kid, himself, when he committed rape.

Bingo, Lana(Etc!).

Something I feel one must do in ANY kind of fiction (not just soap operas), is take its moral universe on its own terms.

For example: I’ve spent almost 15 years now obsessing over one of THE WORST characters, morally, ever to be the “Destroyer of Nations” on TV (one Warrior Princess, as is you couldn’t guess). IRL? There isn’t a deep enough pit of solitary confinement for her crimes (heck, that’s just for the Gab-Drag!). But in the moral universe of the show, it’s a different kettle of fish.

The same with rape and a rapist. In my own personal ethics, there are CRIMES for which—if they aren’t unforgiveable—condemnation, penitence, amendment-of-life and heavy-duty RESTITUTION are required (translation: 20 to life, minimum!).

But this is Springfield. Here, if Olivia wants to forgive Jeffrey (w/ no jail & no “bail”), that’s her choice, and I don’t think we, the viewers, get to second-guess her (UNLESS we see her choice-to-forgive as somehow hurting someone else, and I see Zero evidence of that). I respect too much where Olivia is at NOW, to want to second-guess her about what she did/didn’t do, 3 years ago (much less, 23!). If Jeffrey *now* is someone Olivia chooses to be friends with *now*, then so be it.

Eh, I don’t want to talk about this anymore. I’m more about, let’s get through this latest Rafe-induced drama, and onto more squee-inducing scenes!