PaaV Podcast #10

Lana, Snapper, Whatever on Mon, 22nd Jun 2009 8:27 am 

Dani – for heaven’s sake..the menopause comments are always supposed to be made on the DL. There’s officially a contract out on you, now. Just saying.

Dani on Mon, 22nd Jun 2009 9:05 am 

I know, I’ve already gotten three death threats.

It was probably mean, but also totally true.

Lana, Snapper, Whatever on Mon, 22nd Jun 2009 9:30 am 

RE: Olivia/Reva at the gas station thing was all about. I think it was a way to juxtapose two characters whose lives are always in turmoil, and the different way we look at them. No one ever says that Reva is with Jeffery or Josh (or whoever she happens to be married to) just because of the drama in her life. No one ever accuses Reva of just letting life happen to her, even though – for heaven’s sake – a lot of fucking shit has just happens to her, and she DOES just let Josh float into her life over and over again. No one has ever said, “Hey, Reva…maybe you’re with Jeffery just because you’re used to having a man, and cancer is scary and Josh was unavailable…yadda yadda…” Seemed like a throw-away scene, but I thought it was significant.

Bonnie on Mon, 22nd Jun 2009 10:01 am 

Hello from a first time listener!

I know what you mean about podcasts. I do an Otalia podcast too, yet I really struggle to listen to podcasts (including listening back to my own). I’m terrible at multi-tasking, and I find that they need my full concentration, or it’s too easy to just let people’s voices become background noise. Plus I always find that I want to talk back to podcasts and join in the conversation. LOL!

Great podcast. Yours has been going for longer than ours… woo, congratulations on 10! We’ve just hit the 6 mark ourselves.

Keep up the good work, girls.

SelmaHinkley on Mon, 22nd Jun 2009 3:29 pm 

Dani, you took me back with that Perfect Strangers reference–Cosin’! I heart you so much right now.

uhaulhasaflatt on Mon, 22nd Jun 2009 5:58 pm 

Is baseball in season.. Rotflmao.. That was the best ever. I swear I can not get enough of your podcasts. They are smart, funny,and such a treat! Who ask their mother if they have an itch to scratch? especially a young manly man who thinks his mother’s role is to bake cookies and go to church??? LMAO..

Alexa Archer on Mon, 22nd Jun 2009 6:33 pm 

I haven’t listened to this week’s podcast yet, but I just read the intro post and had to comment on this line:

“- Know whats perfect for getting the stench of douchebag out of your couches? Febreeze.”

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Classic. (Okay, maybe not so much a proper comment as a nod of huge appreciation.)

By the way, since you like to know when you’ve traveled, I can tell you that you frequently accompany me during my commute between San Francisco and San Mateo. Not very glamorous, but there you have it.

Heather on Mon, 22nd Jun 2009 7:24 pm 

Liz, you are so precious with your obliviousness to sports.

And, Dani, I’m sorry, but I too am a Yankee fan. Can we still be friends? I heart you. I like Big Papi, does that count? (FYI, Liz, ‘Big Papi’ is a baseball player’s nickname, not the make or model of a particular “soap”) I’m also with you on Perfect Strangers. Maybe TGIF was before Liz’s time.

Blake over Reva hands down. Did you see her today? Hi miss straightened hair pants.

“Dinah in leather…that’s something I could get behind.” I bet you could, Liz. I bet you could.

would kill for a kiss on Mon, 22nd Jun 2009 7:59 pm 

Did you guys notice how in the Matt scene Liv took Nat’s bag from him like “dont be carrying my woman’s crap; that’s my job I’ll do it.”

greenivy8 on Mon, 22nd Jun 2009 9:00 pm 

Dani – I loved the perfect strangers reference, Balki and Larry are one of the great on screen couples of our time, it’s a shame their love was never fully realised in that they were cousins and such. Pesky laws. I would go as far as to say they were the ‘Otalia’ of the 80’s – they even had their own version of the ‘I love Olivia’ dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfPg5LjGYz8

dj on Mon, 22nd Jun 2009 9:21 pm 

Blake or Reva is not a fair contest. That’s like saying “Natalia or Frank.” Should you require further convincing, please refer to today’s episode, in which the discrepancy between those two options was highlighted. (IN fairness, though, I feel I should point out that Blake was wearing a business suit, which is scientifically proven to make almost any woman hotter. I know Liz agrees with me on this.)

dj on Mon, 22nd Jun 2009 9:31 pm 

Actually, wait. I’d like to amend my previous statement. Reva vs. Blake is not quite as blatant as Frank vs. Natalia, because that’s not a “would you rather” so much as a fundamental truth. It was Newton’s fourth law (For every Dimples of transcendent awesomeness, there exists an equal and opposite Frankfurter of extreme doucheiness, or, to paraphrase, Natalia is so 3008, Frank is so 2000 and Late). Reva vs. Blake is more like “tea and cake or death.” Still pretty clear, but not an axiomatic truth.

notoaster on Mon, 22nd Jun 2009 10:11 pm 

dj-lol

Obviously Blake is the superior choice. And it’s clear that do not see what Josh sees in Reva.

Liz on Mon, 22nd Jun 2009 10:40 pm 

Dude Lana, I’m afraid to stand too close to her for reals. Kim fans- they’ll cut a bitch. Also, good take on the gas getting scene. I love scenes that seem like a throw away but actually hold a lot of significance.

Bonnie, congrats on the half dozen! We’ve both listened to y’all a few times. I alllways want to talk back to podcasts too. Which is probably why we ended up starting one. And why ours is as interactive as possible.

Flatt, you are too sweet! Thats so nice, thanks. Also, I am so unsporty that its not funny. Poor Dani. I listen and nod and grunt, but I dont know what the hell she’s talking about half the time.

Alexa, Do you have pictures? Cause thats the only way I’ll believe you. Also, douchestench is really hard to get out- have you ever tried?

Heather, I havent been called precious in 20 yrs. lol Miss straightened hair pants, Hot. Miss straightened hair pants in leather? Hot times two.

Would Kill- good catch! Also, I would mame, maul, and assault for a kiss, but killing seems a bit brutal. Give me another week though and check back.

I have seen the reports DJ and is discussing and I concur. Business suits make any woman 54-67% hotter depending on cut, fit, color, and under items.

Also, I will watch whatever the hell Dani was talking about someday, I promise. In all my free time, I’m sure I can spare several hours.

XO

notoaster on Mon, 22nd Jun 2009 10:45 pm 

The internet at my comment, on no! How did that happen? Anyway, this is my full comment.

dj-lol and so true on all points.

Business suits often increase any woman’s hotness tenfold. Military uniforms have a similar effect. Dinah in the navy blues on Friday made me feel so..patriotic.

I do know one(incredibly hetero)lady who would pick Frank over Natalia. He’d be her first choose of all the men on the show she said. This woman also hates Olivia’s character, and is super religious and a right-wing(far, far right) conservative. So, talking about Otalia with her is fun times, obviously. sigh

Anyway, great show. I look forward to the top ten list.

notoaster on Mon, 22nd Jun 2009 10:52 pm 

*ate my comment, I meant. And I meant first choice in the second paragraph.

God, I’m really bad with grammar today. Must be because Olivia’s sex eyes from today’s episode melted my brain into mush.

Lana, Snapper, Whatever on Mon, 22nd Jun 2009 10:52 pm 

Liz – Notice that today’s episode, too, juxtaposed Reva and Otalia…ging so far as to have Otalia go throught he whole “I’m tired of waiting” scene, immmediately followed by Reva’s “all I can do is wait!”
I don’t believe in accidents. Not on soap operas.

Liz on Mon, 22nd Jun 2009 11:02 pm 

Toaster, that person sounds like one I can live without. lol Just kidding, but Frank? Over Josh or Remy or Cyrus? Frank? Also, I plan to blame Olivia’s sex eyes for every stupid thing I do from now on. (although grammar, whatevs)

Lana, clearly you are a genius. Also clearly, I havent seen the Reva scenes from today… Because I’m a bad fan and who knew top ten lists would be such a pain in the ass?

Liz

Lana, Snapper, Whatever on Mon, 22nd Jun 2009 11:48 pm 

Oops…hope that doesn’t count as a spoiler. Now you’ll be looking for all the parallels. Hint: laughter in the face of adversity

notoaster on Mon, 22nd Jun 2009 11:49 pm 

Well, the Frank-lover is a coworker, she heard me talking about otalia with another person and butted into our conversation. She’s been watching the show for years and years, and was exicted to find someone else who watches the show. She has alot of opinions, and likes to share her opinions with me, for some reason.

She disapproves of the otalia pairing in general because, ew, teh gay. And she’s had a big crush on Frank since the 80’s.

She says she is tolerant(!)of gays, but doesn’t care to see the homosexual lifestyle(!) portrayed on tv. During the whole Prop 8 business here in California, we exchanged some strong words. (She still has that yes on 8 sticker on her car, still!)

Uck. Anyway, end of rant. That’s why I’m glad I found some rational people to talk about GL and otalia with, or else it would be just me and Frank-lover.

Porter on Tue, 23rd Jun 2009 1:15 am 

Am curious, in the hours since the podcast posted, has Dani’s house been destroyed by a mysterious fire? Was there a “KZ” burnt into the front lawn as well? Yikes!

Loved the discussion concerning the painfully uneven ratio of Otalia fallout vs. reward…there is nothing worse than getting punished for shit you haven’t done. If I’m gonna do the time, I wanna commit the crime! At this point Nat and Liv have done so much time they deserve to commit the *crime often and preferably in public! Even if every remaining moment of GL was devoted to them making out, having sex and/or enjoying all other manner of intimate togetherness, they still couldn’t make up for all the punishment they’ve been handed! (*Disclaimer – In no way, shape or form do I view any type of intimate relations between two woman as a crime…time and crime just happen to rhyme. Plus, if it was, I’d be a wanted felon in several states.)

The fully silent moment of contemplation taken over the thought of leather-clad Nat/Liv and Dinah/Mel making out was freakin’ hilarious. I was afraid my earbuds were going to spontaneously burst into flames for those few seconds.

I think Succubus should be the word of the week simply because of its all around awesomeness and because I haven’t had a good reason to type/use it since my English major days. Thanks for that PaaV. :p

Kishiyaya on Tue, 23rd Jun 2009 1:47 am 

Hi Liz & Dani, Hi PaaVers!

OK so a funny thing happened the other day, I was la-la-la-la, hey watcha doing? and then oh, why don’t you come hang out, and then I was OK! Then later, uh, on the podcast? w00t! I’m glad it didn’t REALLY register until Dani did her intro…ha, ha too late to change my mind then!

And then of course Liz, oh Liz, puts me on the spot right away – you have to love that woman for her utter sense of cruelty. LOL

Anyway, I hope my fellow PaaVers forgive me for my not being able to hold a candle to our beloved dynamic duo, but I have to say it was one of my favorite things to do ever! I’m still laughing and I may or may not have a smile on my face even now.

So support PaaV as much as you can – talk them up to your fellow Otalia fans, tweet or post about the show – they really are as awesome off-pod as on, it couldn’t have been more fun. And really I think we’d all be just a little sadder *insert Natalia pouty face here* if we didn’t have PaaV in our Otalia lives.

And since it will take several years to get all the friends of PaaV onto the show, I’m happy to pass the torch and grateful that we’ll always have #10. *le sigh*

Heather on Tue, 23rd Jun 2009 8:01 am 

notoaster – Sorry you have to deal with the Frank lover. Sounds like no fun all around. Isn’t it amazing that people like that still exist in 2009?

Kish – Forgot to say that you did a good job, so no worries for letting us down in any way. Besides…your voice is hot.

dj on Tue, 23rd Jun 2009 8:39 am 

toaster – Has your coworker’s case of Right-Wing Douchebagitis given her cataracts? I mean, I can understand if she’s not a lady-lover, but there are much hotter guys than Frank on the show. One of them even has an Australian accent……and scruff…..
……
………
Okay, okay, I’m back. Also, I should say that I am “tolerant” of straights, but I prefer not to have their “lifestyle” portrayed on TV.

Dinah in uniform ate my brain. Can she just keep wearing that all the time, please? Even when she and Jeffrey get back?

Uhaul, ditto to the “itch to scratch.” Who says that??

Anti-microbial Febreeze not only removes the douchebag odor from your couch; it also gets rid of the source. (Now if we could just give Emma a water-gun filled with anti-microbial Febreeze and tell her to squirt as many members of the Cooper clan as she can find… and maybe swing by F. Ray’s church…. Toaster, you might try it on your co-worker and see what happens. A) she melts; B) her douchebagitis is cured; or C) at least she’s a pleasant-smelling douchebag.)

Liz on Tue, 23rd Jun 2009 9:20 am 

Toast- Have you seen pics of Frank in the 80s? He was really, really orange. Thats all Im saying. Also, I hear teh gay is catchable over TV. Thats what Dobson told me.

Porter house steak (never heard that one, have you?)- I feel like Olivia should sooo just lay her down right there in the gazebo in the middle of the Bauer BBQ.
Im surprised my brain didnt burst into flames. Hellllllo Gina T. How you doin?
Work succubus into your daily convo and report back.

Kish- You did great for very little notice. Thats how we get em. People should really just not talk to us on Fri nights because they will *probably* get roped into coming on the pod.
Also, I agree with Heather, your voice is hot. (Dont hunt me down and slice me Kish’s girl, I promise to be nice and respectful and stay 2 feet away when we meet in person)

DJ- I heard douchebagitis causes bad vision. I read that in a medical journal. I hope Dinah hangs on to that uniform and we see a hot scene with Shayne in it. Hot.

XO

Dani on Tue, 23rd Jun 2009 12:00 pm 

Lana #1 – I like the breakdown, Lana, and I did agree with Liz’s read of the scene…but maybe it was just KZ not hitting it for me, but this wasn’t my favorite scene. It seemed off.

Bonnie – Thanks for chiming in. I’ve listened to yours as well, and congrats on #6. We both know how much work goes into it, so good job keeping it going. Also, I have to say I’m really jealous at how perfect your sound quality is. Care to share your secret?

Selma – I heart you back! Thank god there are other dorks who get my obscure television references. Liz is clearly not up to the task.

Uhaul – Liz knows damn well it’s baseball season, because she mocks my need to talk to the television during games. She just likes to drive me crazy (or haven’t you noticed?). But I let her because I love her.

Talking to your mother about “scratching an itch” = hot snack.

Alexa – Liz is a genius.

Also, commuting between San Francisco and San Mateo totally counts. I’ve never been.

Heather – we can definitely be friends! Especially as long as the Red Sox are in first place. Ha ha. I kid, I kid. No, there’s no baseball hatred allowed in our haven of Otalia (trash talk via email is completely allowed, though).

Mm, Dinah in leather.

Would kill – let me just say that if you need any help killing for a kiss, I’m your woman. And yeah, I love the way Liv has been kind of aggressive with Matt. Makes me smile.

Greenivy – How much do I love you for digging up a video of the dance of joy? Amazing.

We should totally organize a trip to Meepos. Don’t be ridiculous!

dj – Reva vs. Blake is not even a question. Sorry. Once again I’m going to be ducking rubber bullets from the KZ fans on my way home from work.

Love the Black Eyed Peas reference.

Notoaster – you poor, poor thing. It’s bad enough you have to be at work, but also having to deal with a Frank lover all day? Just cruel. If you ever need to vent, let it fly.

Porter – That’s been a huge pet peeve of mine lately. It’s one thing to deal with the fallout, drama, angst, etc. if you’re enjoying the benefits of the relationship. Right now sucks because they’re getting all this junk and they haven’t even kissed yet! Argh. Soon, hopefully.

Succubus is awesome. And so is Liz.

Kish – you were great! I know it’s hard to try and get a word in edgewise with Liz and I yakking the entire time.

Also, your word of the week was gold. I should hire you to do mine every week.

Dj – “Okay, okay, I’m back. Also, I should say that I am “tolerant” of straights, but I prefer not to have their “lifestyle” portrayed on TV.”

I love you. That is all.

Lana on Tue, 23rd Jun 2009 12:31 pm 

Dani – I don’t think the Olivia/Reva scene was well executed, but I do think there was a deliberate intention to draw parallels between the the women and how their circumstances are being viewed/judged. Reva has had at least as many men as Olivia has, but she’s referred to as “the most beloved woman in Springfield” (that was in the same episode, I believe!) Olivia? Not so much. Why the disparity? (Especially when Olivia’s the gorgoeus one. Hey, I’m shallow.) The scene wasn’t written well. They should have called me – I would have written them a nice, tidy 2 minute scene that sent the message home, and placed Olivia’s car within pumping distance. And I would have included an Olivia ass shot. That’s right – I said it. Ass shot.

Why does Rafe do that thing with his shirt sleeve? Does the spot where he just had his MMR shot itch?

notoaster on Tue, 23rd Jun 2009 1:39 pm 

-Lana: Yes to more ass shots! Please GL? You’re really doing a disservice to the community by not showing them.

-DJ: One time, I ‘accidentally’ spilled Mountain Dew on Frank-lover hoping she would melt, but alas, she still exists. Next time, I’ll try Febreeze.

She also tells me she meant she would marry Frank first out of all the men on the show, but he wouldn’t necessarily be her first choice for a no-strings passionate affair. (Barf)

Dani on Tue, 23rd Jun 2009 2:54 pm 

notoaster – GROSS. no more updates on your frank loving co-worker! Or we need to develop some kind of a hot snack spoiler tag.

Lana on Tue, 23rd Jun 2009 6:05 pm 

DJ – I think I love you co-worker the way I love the insane CPR trainer we recently had at work, who thought he was Chuck Norris. He was so awful, I wound up loving him for giving me a lifetime’s worth of comedy material. Funny how GL has several women who would be more than acceptable mates: Liv, Natalia, Dinah. When she shuts up, Blake’s not bad. Hell, if Daisy were a few years older, and always wore her hair straight, I’d probably hit that. But men? Philip, who’s just this side of crazy, is pretty much the only game in town. Even if Jeffery weren’t a rapist, you’d never be able to erase the mental image of him having sex with the HRT nightmare.

Ana on Tue, 23rd Jun 2009 6:26 pm 

Great podcast, congrats on #10. A few comments:

Liz – can’t believe u had to ask if baseball season was going on. BTW – basketball season just ended, football season starts in Aug and there’s a small tennis tournament going on in London right now, it’s called Wimbledon. However, you are forgiven, just becuz I luv your how your mind always goes to that dirty place, I’m right there with you.

Dani – the phrase “hot snack” should never be uttered in public, in private it’s all good.

I agree with Dani, the scene where Billy’s trys to talk to Liv was cute, if some people are referring to Rafe as Oscar the Grouch (eyebrows) then Billy would be Snuffleupagus (I looked up the spelling). Liv needs someone to talk to and the pickings are small in Springfield.

Also, I can’t believe you didn’t mention Liv’s comment about Matt’s bike. “I’m gonna have to get him a bell for that thing” – SO LIV & SO HILARIOUS

This week was a little tough to watch, very raw and real. But you guys managed to squeeze alot of humor out of it and that was great.

Thanks
Ana

notoaster on Tue, 23rd Jun 2009 6:47 pm 

Okay, no more frank-lover. She is so much fun to ridicule, though.

Bonnie on Tue, 23rd Jun 2009 7:02 pm 

Dani, we each record our own audio track, and then I upload mine and Scoop merges them together. Maybe that makes the difference?

dj on Tue, 23rd Jun 2009 10:37 pm 

“looks like she fell out of the menopause tree and hit every branch on the way down.” i know it’s wrong, and i’ll probably get wicked hot flashes and have a really brutal menopause that starts at like 30 and stuff for saying this, but i laughed. SO. HARD.

notoaster, to paraphrase dr. cox on scrubs, “i’m gagging and vomiting at the same time. i’m gavomiting”. i don’t ever, EVER want to think about anyone who wants to marry Frank having any sort of torrid romance with ANYONE AT ALL EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE. EVER. #hotsnack.

Also, if mtn dew and the febreeze don’t work on this woman, try diet red bull. it’s endorsed by cc, so if it can’t do the job, nothing can.

Lana – fortunately, the coworker is not mine. Send condolences, red bull/febreeze, and shiny metallic headbands of Xanadu awesomeness to notoaster, since it sounds like she needs them.

Liz on Tue, 23rd Jun 2009 11:13 pm 

Lana, I love you for so many reasons. Ass shot is one of them. MMR is another. But come on. I’d take Remy or Cyrus (no talking allowed, who cares if they are dull as rocks?), and Josh would even be F-able. Phillip is fine, but not the only show in town.

Toaster, I want DAILY updates on the Frank lover. If Dani says I cant ban hot snack, she cant ban Frank lover. Help me fight the power!

Ana, I did know baseball was in season. I was screwing with Dani. Its fun. I know because I do listen to her yell at the screen, as if her encouragement will affect the outcome of the game, and laugh at her. She;s so cute. I know about Wimbledon too because our friend Steph is obsessed with it and I hear about it a lot. You crazy lesbians and your sports. Heh.

Bonnie, we’ve tried that, but we always screw it up. We’re going to email you guys this week though (not about that), is the one you used to comment here an ok one to reach you guys?

DJ- you already know my inner most thoughts / unyielding attraction to you. So blahblahblah.

XO

Dani on Wed, 24th Jun 2009 1:17 am 

Lana – I could go into detail about the “disparity” between Hotlivia and Skeva, but since I fear for the safety of me and my cat, I will just smile and nod knowingly.

notoaster – Your co-worker is still damned nuts. Frank would NOT be my husband choice. Not even close. That honor would probably go to Shayne, if I had to pick. Followed by Remy. As for no-strings affair, Shayne again and Remy is pretty. I’d just gag him. Gross, now I need to cleanse my brain with Otalia vids.

Lana – I also have to disagree. Phillip? Seriously? With that 80’s hair flip and the beady eyes? Don’t get me wrong, I heart Phillip, but not because he’s hot ‘n sexy. I’d pick, before Phillip: Shayne, Josh, Remy, Cyrus.

Ana – I can live with using it in private only. Does Skype count as private? What about twitter? And thank you! I thought Billy was being cute and Liz has teased me endlessly since.

notoaster – I was kidding, it’s great comedy. Keep it coming. It’s like watching the seals do dumb shit at the circus.

Bonnie – Funny, we’ve tried to accomplish that several times. I’m usually the culprit for screwing it up. Oh well, maybe someday we’ll get it right. Thanks for sharing.

dj – Oh my god, I just cracked the fuck up at “gavomiting.” I wish I hadn’t stopped watching Scrubs at times like this. Watch out, dj, if you laugh at Kim Zimmer cracks you might find yourself on her fans’ hit list, too.

notoaster on Wed, 24th Jun 2009 2:21 am 

dj- lol, thank you. I think a Xanadu headband may be just what I need to fend frank -lover off. That or a wooden stake.

Liz and Dani- As soon as her douchebagitis flares up again, I’ll let you guys know. =)

I love all of you, seriously. This whole discussion of frank-lover made my day so much more enjoyable. So, thanks.

The Hoff on Wed, 24th Jun 2009 6:29 am 

I’ve been podding along perfectly fine, laughing with you, laughing at you, and then this happened:

Dani: “Billy’s cute like Dana Rohrabacher.”

I hate my ears sometimes.

Oh, and Kishi, being your conjoined #braintwin rocks.

Lana, Snapper, Whatever on Wed, 24th Jun 2009 7:54 am 

Liz and Dani – I stand by Philip as the only gam ein town- must be a generational thing; in my mind’s eye it’s still 1983.

Remy: Too much dumb to ignore.
Shayne: Shell shocked, looks like he’d smell bad…and won’t shut the fuck up about his dead girlfriend. You just know Shayne yells out “LARA!” when he orgasms.
Cyrus; No. Just no.
Josh: See “Lewis, Shayne” – schtupping Josh would be, in effect, schtupping Reva, and no fucking way.
Bill: Kind of ridiculously handsome – like a Ken doll.

Melanie on Wed, 24th Jun 2009 7:56 am 

Douche I believe, is already a French word, so the translation must have been into German.

Matt is not randomly at the supermarket. A couple of months ago, in what I have to term a valiant effort, he tried to convince Josh to forget about Reva and accompany him to his favorite place to pick up women–the supermarket. So he is definitely there with a purpose; it’s just not shopping.

Khaki and White–totally. Business casual uniform for the East Coast in warm weather. Olivia presumably still shows up at work on occasion, but don’t get me started on the writers understanding or lack thereof of the rudimentary working world. Sometimes, I think they are just messing with us on this. We still laugh at that soapbox in the staff meeting since Natalia’s credibility (and career) would have been shot that day.

And Blake duh!–that choice was too easy to be fun. There is a nice shot on cbs.com of Reva and Josh (from several years back) all in black and you can kind of see the attraction, but what there was is definitely gone now. Of course, my feminist side that is repulsed by all the gross men with hot chicks on TV has to cheer that KZ has let herself age before our eyes, while both RN and BC have certainly taken pains to keep themselves nice. It’s probably the only situation of this kind on all of TV.

Don’t think the cake/Rafe’s diabetes was an anvil of any sort but more of a PSA. The viewers at home could be stupid enough to believe that it’s okay for them to indulge in cake despite their Type 2 diabetes, so the show takes great pains to remind everyone that the cake was sugarless. P&G doesn’t want to get sued for anyone’s diabetic coma. I am presuming that P&G must not make a sugar substitute because there would have been product placement opportunities.

Dani on Wed, 24th Jun 2009 9:04 am 

notoaster – Our pleasure! We might as well be nerds together and entertain ourselves.

The Hoff – I actually said “Orville Reddenbacher” but you probably couldn’t hear it over Liz’s mocking laughter. Who the hell is Dana Rohrabacher? Billy was cute, damn you!

Lana – You can keep Phillip.

Melanie – I’m impressed at your memory of anything involving Matt. I call him Captain Random Scene because he’ll just randomly show up on a day, in a place, etc. Thus is the life of a minor player, I suppose.

I’ve also had those guilt pangs when cracking on Reva. I mean, I’ve bitched endlessly about the unrealistic version of women on television…but Reva loses points for me because she gets on my nerves as a person. I sometimes wish I were old enough to have watched back when she was (supposedly) rad.

Really, you’re thinking PSA? It didn’t strike me in that way, but maybe. I’m going to have to let that one marinate a bit.

Lana, Snapper, Whatever on Wed, 24th Jun 2009 10:25 am 

Dani – Reva certainly WAS rad back in the day, but you had to be there, you know? If you go there, you have to go as a tourist and remember that big hair was really hot….and the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders were a big, fucking deal. And, you know what, even though she’s a mere shadow of what she once was, I still love it when Olivia and Reva have screen time together…CC and KZ have a wonderful, I-hate-you-bitch-but-secretly-sort-of-love-you-in-a-completely-nonsexual-way-and-we-should-be-best-friends-because-together-we-could-rule-the-world vibe.

JCF on Wed, 24th Jun 2009 5:42 pm 

About this “hot snack” thang? You do know that UrbanDictionary dot com has a completely OPPOSITE definition from the one (I think) you’re giving to it? :-0

While I’m totally on Team “Just Make Out, Bitches”, I appreciate it, D&L, that you’re not saying that in a TWoP hater kind of way. It’s torture, but it’s a hurts-so-good kind of torture, keeping us waiting. [At least, that's my story today. By tomorrow/next week, I may be all over the "F' the CBS/P&G/GL suits for all this waiting for grrl-on-grrl kissage bullsh*t" train]

I may not have time to email my Top10 before Friday (day I fly home from Calidornia to Michigan), but I doubt I can come up w/ a more visually beautiful scene than *The Mirror Scene*: always leaves my tongue lying about on the floor somewhere…

Nathalie on Wed, 24th Jun 2009 6:43 pm 

Okay, so it’s been a batshit crazy week and so this is the first time I’ve had to weigh in on any of this. Here goes…

“Hot Snack” – as you know this word has come back and bit me in the ass in a major way, but I’m still with Dani on this and the word needs to stay. If for no other reasons then because it really does describe the incident with complete clarity, and it’s capable of providing us with a wealth of comedy material for months to come…and you know it’s true! Don’t hate.

Also, Blake over Reva any day. All day.

Reva? Really? I mean what gets that smell out of the couch? That’s just nasty :-p

Liz on Wed, 24th Jun 2009 8:16 pm 

Dani- Skype and Twitter are both public, and you damn well know you used it in our top ten so you totally lied to Ana. I would never lie to Ana, therefore I am clearly the better friend.

Lana- I couldnt do Bill. He looks like he’s 13.

Melanie- Excellent point re: douche being french. And my feminist/ real life side completely agrees about Kim (Ive said before I actually like her as a person), but my podcast self will continue to ridicule Reva all day and night.

JCF- Um. I bit. I looked. Thats nasty as hell.

Nathalie- You can never get the stench of Reva out of upholstery. I’ve tried and failed.

XO

dj on Wed, 24th Jun 2009 9:03 pm 

1. “Hot snack” needs to stay, because it is the only way to accurately and succinctly describe how I feel when Liz says “fripple.” I don’t know what the other meaning of hotsnack is, but I assume it also has negative/disgusting connotations, and therefore is still an accurate description of the sheer, visceral revulsion that “fripple” triggers for me.

2. I don’t think Marina knows. She’s Frank’s daughter, and therefore couldn’t find a clue with both hands, a searchlight, a S&R team, and a St. Bernard.

3. Bill is too pretty, but less in a “lesbianish man [and therefore totally hot and I'd hit that]” sort of way and more in a “cherubic schoolboy [and therefore NOT hot]” sort of way. So I agree with Liz on that. Lana, you can keep him AND Phillip.

4. I think part of the reason Frank is so bitchy to Olivia is that he came home one day and Marina was listening to Maneater, by Nelly Furtado, since Mallet is too wrapped up in the murder case to give her love. Now, whenever Frank sees Olivia, that song pops into his head and he can’t get rid of it. It takes him to a dark and lonely place. Feel free to join me out on this limb.

5. Matt’s bike is NOT sexy enough for him to talk about it that much.

Lana, Snapper, Whatever on Wed, 24th Jun 2009 9:29 pm 

As I mentioned in an email to L&D, Matt is well on his way to becoming the male Reva. That man was downright beautiful when he first arrived in Springfield. Now? Not so much. His looks have faded, which isn’t that bad…but his personality seems to have gone the way of the old production model. When did that guy make the shift from “incredibly attractive and swoon-worthy” to “annoying, hopeless piece of crap at getting ANY woman to notice him”? Matt, honey: Blake is anxious to bang ANYONE. Hit on HER! And leave the damned bike at home.

At this point I’ll apologize for opening the can of “which guy would you do, if you had to” worms. I should have opened the “Damn, Dinah looks hot in a uniform!” can of worms. Dress blues never looked so damned good.

dj on Wed, 24th Jun 2009 9:35 pm 

I’ll jump on the Dinah looks HAWT in a uniform train. Lana, your spinoff idea totally rocks, but there any way Dinah can just wear the uniform in it? I’m sure you can think of a reason!

Stephanie on Thu, 25th Jun 2009 7:31 pm 

So guess who finally had some time on her hands, and what do I do with it you might ask. Sit and listen to you two ho’s. If that’s not love I don’t know what its. Miss you two something fierce!

Bonnie on Sat, 27th Jun 2009 9:25 am 

Just seen your comments above! Whoops, sorry. Yes, feel free to email us at that address. Scoop’s email is the same but with scoop at the start instead of bonnie.

JCF on Sat, 27th Jun 2009 11:42 pm 

Liz, just let you know that I’m joining you—at least through Friday 7/3—back on the Spoiler-Free Wagon.

IF I have to endure “That Spoiler” being true (currently, I’m cruising De Nile on the Good Ship “Red Herring”!), I’ll bloody well do it while watching the show, and NOT accompanied by the terminal bitching of the AfterEllen ledge ho’s! ;-p

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