Comments on: PaaV Podcast #17

By: Kylie Batt1

Kylie Batt1 — Sun, 13 Jun 2010 17:21:13 +0000

Очень быстрый ответ …

http://rel” rel=”nofollow”> Директор административный Direct Download: paav17.mp3
Warning: this podcast is a hot mess…..

By: Mari SanGiovanni

Mari SanGiovanni — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 00:35:26 +0000

Hey Dani and Liz—
LOVED the podcast—of course I did, since you plugged the hell out of my book! Thanks for all the laughs—here are my comments, not in order of importance…OK, the first one is pretty important:
1. Sorry Liz, Dani was right. My name is pronounced “Mary” (as in “gay man”) it is just spelled Mari, the Italian way. Oh yes, it was great fun going through school hearing the EXACT debate you two went off on at the beginning of your podcast–thanks for the kindergarten flashbacks.
2. Loved the HOT MESS way you chatted about the book—was EXACTLY what I had fantasized about hearing if for some crazy reason you agreed to read and talk about the book…My favorite: I loved the giggling as you questioned why the hell you got trapped into doing this in the first place.
3. LOVED LOVED LOVED: “Drop the cigarettes, buy the book.” I now get to go on believing that my sex scenes and childhood flashbacks are saving lives.
4. Last thought: Your fans are still listening to your podcasts and no, we are NOT related to you (I am speaking for all three of us–me and my DDD “girls”…who each have their own agent.)

Thanks a million—you two are the best.
xoxoxoxo
–Mari SanGiovanni
(publicity Ho)
http://www.greetingsfromjamaica.com

By: maggie23

maggie23 — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 02:47:47 +0000

spar? that’s all i got! my frank arsenal is empty now. plus, i saw what you did to cbs…are you freakin’ kidding me? i’m not taking you on, lol i don’t own any kevlar

By: lana

lana — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:27:29 +0000

Oh, and thanks for the love, Maggie23!

By: lana

lana — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:26:56 +0000

Because I love Liz and Dani, I won’t take up any more of their space with my defense of Frank. If you email me, we can spar about this for hours.

By: maggie23

maggie23 — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 02:06:57 +0000

btw…lana, did i mention i love your blog?

dani, liz, did i mention i love your podcasts?

By: maggie23

maggie23 — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 02:01:27 +0000

love paav, as y’all know…but this is in response to lana’s post. is that okay? do y’all have the ability to delete or forward if not? lol

hey lana…love your stuff on superherolunchbox…but i have to disagree with your “frank as a victim” sentiment (but trust that you won’t need any kevlar with me – at least not in this context, lol)…

let’s recap:
frank shared a couple of kisses with nat – the first of which even he likened to kissing a wet mackarel (sp?);

their sexual encounter was selfserving for both of them: she wanted to bury her feelings for liv and convince herself she didn’t lust after a woman (goddess), and he wanted some pity/comfort sex after the death of coop (actually, he probably just wanted it any way he could get it, but i think on the useage meter, it went both ways – no pun)…after said sex, she lay crying with regret on his chest, all the while he was unaware she loathed every minute of the encounter – yeah, right;

they went on all of about three dates;

he manipulated her situation ad nauseum, ie. rafe’s jail sentence/halfway house internment and his ability to pull strings to benefit himself in nat’s eyes and further his own agenda…

and then!!!! after she left him at the alter!!!! he struck the lowest blow by taking his present (bribe/co-cockblocker) back and returned rafe to the halfway house as punishment for not following through with the wedding?!? wtf???

i can’t at all see how he might be a victim here. i think, at best, it’s unfortunate for him that his best laid (lol) plans didn’t come to fruition, is all. otalia may have been using him to a certain extent to try to prove to themselves and the world that they weren’t falling head over heals in – omg it can’t be lableless same sex (read: lesbian) – love with one another; but frank definitley had his own selfserving agenda for which he was not above manipulation, turning a blind eye, putting undo and untold amounts of pressure upon natalia (rushing her to the alter even though he knew she was conflicted), and finally (though i’m sure there was more) using her son to get his way…hmmmm …. so i guess, nope, frank’s no victim in my eyes…and all of those things that liv and nat have done that disappoint me (and there are many that i can’t reconcile with their character arcs, but instead with lazy crappy writing of late) don’t make frank look more like a victim, but rather make olivia and natalia look like fallible characters…ack, i even gag when i say that, but i can only trash the m/l writing so much, because there was a time when i found the extremely nurtured, patient and profoundly realistic writing really praiseworthy.

so that, in a nutshell, is my take on “frank as a victim”…cheers all,

maggie23

By: Lana

Lana — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:53:50 +0000

No joke…The Missing Episode is all kinds of fun. The craptastic events of late have brought out the editing geniuses in full force.

By: stargazzer77

stargazzer77 — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:52:59 +0000

Thank You Thank You Thank You! for pointing me to The Missing Episode… did i say Thank You…luv you ladiesx

By: Liz

Liz — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:23:30 +0000

Lana- You are my GL expert, so whatevs. But sorry- no. Frank absolutely used Natalia for comfort and distraction after Coop’s death, and thats probably why he fell in love with her. I dont think he really loves her, I dont. He treats her like dirt, as far as Im concerned. And I know you never said anything about Frank being left for a girl.

Maggie- 2 1/2 weeks, Woot woot! Also, a gchat convo from Dani and I tonight:
Dani: hey
me: take off your pants
Dani: okay
me: you are so well behaved