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		<title>By: Light</title>
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		<dc:creator>Light</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 06:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://moysotik.ru/ http://rel&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Даже не знаю&lt;/a&gt;...&lt;/strong&gt;

Ссылки как то странно отображаются...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="http://moysotik.ru/ <a href="http://rel" rel="nofollow">http://rel</a>&#8221; rel=&#8221;nofollow&#8221;>Даже не знаю&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Ссылки как то странно отображаются&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kylie BattName</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kylie BattName</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 19:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;По моему мнению Вы допускаете ошибку. Пишите мне в PM, обсудим....&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://elle-work.ru/?p=379&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &lt;/a&gt; ......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>По моему мнению Вы допускаете ошибку. Пишите мне в PM, обсудим&#8230;.</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://elle-work.ru/?p=379" rel="nofollow"> </a> &#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Светлана</title>
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		<dc:creator>Светлана</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Хм<b><a href="http://opk.compacting.ru" rel="nofollow"> </a><a href="http://qr3.compacting.ru" rel="nofollow"> </a><a href="http://agd.compacting.ru" rel="nofollow"> </a><a href="http://fsm.compacting.ru" rel="nofollow"> </a>&#8230;</b></p>
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		<title>By: Shadow</title>
		<link>http://pancakesandavalium.com/2009/08/paav-podcast-20/comment-page-1/#comment-3010</link>
		<dc:creator>Shadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://z7k.cinemajokes.ru&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://qh3.cinemajokes.ru&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://g5d.cinemajokes.ru&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://qs4.cinemajokes.ru&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &lt;/a&gt;...&lt;/strong&gt;

Норм&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://g7k.cinemajokes.ru&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://qa3.cinemajokes.ru&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://aad.cinemajokes.ru&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://fs4.cinemajokes.ru&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &lt;/a&gt;...</description>
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<p>Норм<b><a href="http://g7k.cinemajokes.ru" rel="nofollow"> </a><a href="http://qa3.cinemajokes.ru" rel="nofollow"> </a><a href="http://aad.cinemajokes.ru" rel="nofollow"> </a><a href="http://fs4.cinemajokes.ru" rel="nofollow"> </a>&#8230;</b></p>
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		<title>By: Dani</title>
		<link>http://pancakesandavalium.com/2009/08/paav-podcast-20/comment-page-1/#comment-1390</link>
		<dc:creator>Dani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 03:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JCF - This is a free society, so go for it. One of the mottoes of our podcast has been everyone should be able to form their own opinion and not walk a pre-set company line for the fandom.

I do, however, have slight beef with being identified as &quot;Gone Hater.&quot; Nope. I&#039;m not a hater, I&#039;m just disappointed with what we&#039;ve gotten as compared to the promise of what could have been months ago.

In my opinion, the negativity comes from blowing an incredible opportunity with Otalia - not from me, or any blogger or commenter who has (rightly) called BS.

All I really need to ask is, if someone had told you back in February/March, we&#039;d be getting these last minute crumbs with no physicality between Olivia and Natalia at all, would you have been excited about that?

Based on all the excitement surrounding the promise of Otalia&#039;s first kiss back then, I highly doubt it. Television is interactive nowadays. I choose not to just sit back and consume, but to process and feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JCF &#8211; This is a free society, so go for it. One of the mottoes of our podcast has been everyone should be able to form their own opinion and not walk a pre-set company line for the fandom.</p>
<p>I do, however, have slight beef with being identified as &#8220;Gone Hater.&#8221; Nope. I&#8217;m not a hater, I&#8217;m just disappointed with what we&#8217;ve gotten as compared to the promise of what could have been months ago.</p>
<p>In my opinion, the negativity comes from blowing an incredible opportunity with Otalia &#8211; not from me, or any blogger or commenter who has (rightly) called BS.</p>
<p>All I really need to ask is, if someone had told you back in February/March, we&#8217;d be getting these last minute crumbs with no physicality between Olivia and Natalia at all, would you have been excited about that?</p>
<p>Based on all the excitement surrounding the promise of Otalia&#8217;s first kiss back then, I highly doubt it. Television is interactive nowadays. I choose not to just sit back and consume, but to process and feedback.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 03:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>elek- done and done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>elek- done and done.</p>
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		<title>By: elek</title>
		<link>http://pancakesandavalium.com/2009/08/paav-podcast-20/comment-page-1/#comment-1388</link>
		<dc:creator>elek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 15:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you please fix/update the link for Natalia curtain-call? Thanks! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you please fix/update the link for Natalia curtain-call? Thanks! <img src='http://pancakesandavalium.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JCF</title>
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		<dc:creator>JCF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 07:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oy vey.

Early last Spring, I discovered something.

Something well-written, romantic, charming, and with the promise of &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt;. It was Otalia...

...&lt;i&gt;websites&lt;/i&gt; (chief among them a---say wha?---podcast called &quot;Pancakes and a Valium&quot;). They brought the funny, they were great to look at/listen to, and through them, I got to know a (Ye Gods! :-0) friggin&#039; &lt;b&gt;soap opera&lt;/b&gt; called &lt;i&gt;Guiding Light&lt;/i&gt;.

As you two, D&amp;L, so aptly put it, there&#039;s nothing more bitter than a love &lt;i&gt;betrayed&lt;/i&gt;.

Ergo, I just can&#039;t do this anymore.

Maybe in a couple of weeks (and a day), I, too, will be hung over and bitching about What All Went so &lt;i&gt;wrong, Wrong, WRONG&lt;/i&gt; with Guiding Light. And &lt;i&gt;then&lt;/i&gt; I&#039;ll come back to PaaV to commiserate (not to mention a slew of other Otalia sites I bookmarked last Spring, who&#039;ve Gone Hater).

...but until then, I&#039;m going to avoid the negativity, and just enjoy this show I&#039;ve so come to LOVE (Today, 9/3? Out of the Park! :) ). Y&#039;all will still be here, while GL will be but a memory (OK, now &lt;i&gt;I&#039;m&lt;/i&gt; getting depressed, too :-( )

Later---Sweet &quot;Bitches Make Out!&quot; Dreams...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy vey.</p>
<p>Early last Spring, I discovered something.</p>
<p>Something well-written, romantic, charming, and with the promise of <i>more</i>. It was Otalia&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;<i>websites</i> (chief among them a&#8212;say wha?&#8212;podcast called &#8220;Pancakes and a Valium&#8221;). They brought the funny, they were great to look at/listen to, and through them, I got to know a (Ye Gods! :-0) friggin&#8217; <b>soap opera</b> called <i>Guiding Light</i>.</p>
<p>As you two, D&amp;L, so aptly put it, there&#8217;s nothing more bitter than a love <i>betrayed</i>.</p>
<p>Ergo, I just can&#8217;t do this anymore.</p>
<p>Maybe in a couple of weeks (and a day), I, too, will be hung over and bitching about What All Went so <i>wrong, Wrong, WRONG</i> with Guiding Light. And <i>then</i> I&#8217;ll come back to PaaV to commiserate (not to mention a slew of other Otalia sites I bookmarked last Spring, who&#8217;ve Gone Hater).</p>
<p>&#8230;but until then, I&#8217;m going to avoid the negativity, and just enjoy this show I&#8217;ve so come to LOVE (Today, 9/3? Out of the Park! <img src='http://pancakesandavalium.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ). Y&#8217;all will still be here, while GL will be but a memory (OK, now <i>I&#8217;m</i> getting depressed, too <img src='http://pancakesandavalium.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>Later&#8212;Sweet &#8220;Bitches Make Out!&#8221; Dreams&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://pancakesandavalium.com/2009/08/paav-podcast-20/comment-page-1/#comment-1386</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heather- sweet sweet poetry.  I lurve it.  Also Dani is a nut and I lurve her too.

Selma- dammit!  Pictures!!  :)  Hitler video somehow missed my bookmarks- but next week I&#039;m sure it will come up.  Assuming I have my entire brain...  We&#039;ll see.

Lana- We&#039;d appreciate a call to your local congressman to get this Otalia effery fixed.  I still havent seen last Fridays episode.  I suck.

Lana I actually dont think Rafes illness would stop him anymore.  Not for all jobs anyway.  Not sure though...  And we would have snarked on Nat having some guys baby, except- A- I didnt know they had history.  And B- I dont think Olivia really likes admitting she&#039;s having Franks baby.  If you&#039;ll recall she didnt even tell Josh it was Franks baby until she had to.

Nik- It was supposed to be so great.  It started off so great!  Ugh.  That makes tihs all so sad...
And thats an interesting question.  For me, I am very appreciative of the story that was told, and will just pretend it ended about two weeks after the near wedding.  That part of the story was beautiful and important and very well told.  Just because it ended badly doesnt mean what we got until then was less than that.  While I basically agree with the article you read- I think this story is different because it has changed so many minds and opened so many peoples hearts and minds.  It wasnt just an entertaining love story, even though it def was that, it was also socially important.  So, just like I tell people to stop watching Gilmore Girls at season 5- Im going to reccomend stopping Otalia two weeks after the wedding.

Lisa- I think we&#039;re going to try.  Our schedules have both gotten crazy lately and we hardly have time to record right now- but we&#039;ll see.  Its super fun and we have a lot of feelings to share so we&#039;ll see.  But 95% yes.

Kristy- I can offer you a hug, but the sex w/ Josh thing- you&#039;re on your own there.

Sue- Yay for company!  I dont know about the PBP, I fell out of them when we started the podcast (wanted a clean slate for a brain and what not)but yeah, I know I dont spend alllll day anxiously waiting for the clips like I used to.

Jen- online dating doesnt sound so bad.  I met my awesome podcast wife online.  ;)  Its like a real wife only she never makes me dinner.  Still, I reccomend it.

Lynda- I&#039;ll be there tomorrow for my massage and rocky road please!

Rikita- It is super sad.  So unfortunate when this fanbase was so awesome and so on fire and now we&#039;re all just depressed and tired.

Porter- Mmmm...  roof top dress....  Also- can you ever pay TOO MUCH attention to the dimples?  Me thinks not.

XO Liz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heather- sweet sweet poetry.  I lurve it.  Also Dani is a nut and I lurve her too.</p>
<p>Selma- dammit!  Pictures!!  <img src='http://pancakesandavalium.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Hitler video somehow missed my bookmarks- but next week I&#8217;m sure it will come up.  Assuming I have my entire brain&#8230;  We&#8217;ll see.</p>
<p>Lana- We&#8217;d appreciate a call to your local congressman to get this Otalia effery fixed.  I still havent seen last Fridays episode.  I suck.</p>
<p>Lana I actually dont think Rafes illness would stop him anymore.  Not for all jobs anyway.  Not sure though&#8230;  And we would have snarked on Nat having some guys baby, except- A- I didnt know they had history.  And B- I dont think Olivia really likes admitting she&#8217;s having Franks baby.  If you&#8217;ll recall she didnt even tell Josh it was Franks baby until she had to.</p>
<p>Nik- It was supposed to be so great.  It started off so great!  Ugh.  That makes tihs all so sad&#8230;<br />
And thats an interesting question.  For me, I am very appreciative of the story that was told, and will just pretend it ended about two weeks after the near wedding.  That part of the story was beautiful and important and very well told.  Just because it ended badly doesnt mean what we got until then was less than that.  While I basically agree with the article you read- I think this story is different because it has changed so many minds and opened so many peoples hearts and minds.  It wasnt just an entertaining love story, even though it def was that, it was also socially important.  So, just like I tell people to stop watching Gilmore Girls at season 5- Im going to reccomend stopping Otalia two weeks after the wedding.</p>
<p>Lisa- I think we&#8217;re going to try.  Our schedules have both gotten crazy lately and we hardly have time to record right now- but we&#8217;ll see.  Its super fun and we have a lot of feelings to share so we&#8217;ll see.  But 95% yes.</p>
<p>Kristy- I can offer you a hug, but the sex w/ Josh thing- you&#8217;re on your own there.</p>
<p>Sue- Yay for company!  I dont know about the PBP, I fell out of them when we started the podcast (wanted a clean slate for a brain and what not)but yeah, I know I dont spend alllll day anxiously waiting for the clips like I used to.</p>
<p>Jen- online dating doesnt sound so bad.  I met my awesome podcast wife online.  <img src='http://pancakesandavalium.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   Its like a real wife only she never makes me dinner.  Still, I reccomend it.</p>
<p>Lynda- I&#8217;ll be there tomorrow for my massage and rocky road please!</p>
<p>Rikita- It is super sad.  So unfortunate when this fanbase was so awesome and so on fire and now we&#8217;re all just depressed and tired.</p>
<p>Porter- Mmmm&#8230;  roof top dress&#8230;.  Also- can you ever pay TOO MUCH attention to the dimples?  Me thinks not.</p>
<p>XO Liz</p>
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		<title>By: Porter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 04:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paav #20 was, by far, the best thing about Otalia last week... well, maybe it was a tie between PaaV and Olivia&#039;s rooftop date dress, but I digress... Even when you two don&#039;t give a flying fuck, you&#039;re still damn hilarious and I appreciate that muchly. :p

My new favorite answer to dumb questions people ask when they clearly already know the answer: &quot;To get in you&#039;re pants! Duh.&quot; And I&#039;m so glad DJ begged and pleaded for more Ms.Cleo...I can&#039;t wait! :p

As for my highly tuned &quot;Jessica Leccia F-Up&quot; radar, I think I just pay way too much to JL and her dimples. :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paav #20 was, by far, the best thing about Otalia last week&#8230; well, maybe it was a tie between PaaV and Olivia&#8217;s rooftop date dress, but I digress&#8230; Even when you two don&#8217;t give a flying fuck, you&#8217;re still damn hilarious and I appreciate that muchly. :p</p>
<p>My new favorite answer to dumb questions people ask when they clearly already know the answer: &#8220;To get in you&#8217;re pants! Duh.&#8221; And I&#8217;m so glad DJ begged and pleaded for more Ms.Cleo&#8230;I can&#8217;t wait! :p</p>
<p>As for my highly tuned &#8220;Jessica Leccia F-Up&#8221; radar, I think I just pay way too much to JL and her dimples. :p</p>
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